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Post by Kiersten Kang on Aug 22, 2021 21:19:26 GMT -8
Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, and Justin Hsieh! I do agree that Granny Weatherall's stubbornness is illustrated throughout the short story. Also, the mention of filling in as the "man of the house" after her husband died is an example of her stubbornness. I also believe that when Granny Weatherall said, "'Get along and doctor your sick,' said Granny Weatherall. 'Leave a well woman alone. I'll call for you when I pulled through milk-leg and double pneumonia? You weren't even born'" (Porter 80). That this also shows how stubborn Granny Weatherall's character is. From this as well, we can see how she is also in denial about her condition and that she is so stubborn to acknowledge or admit that she is sick. Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, and Kryslin Vu! I definitely agree with your standing about Granny's stubbornness portrayed throughout the story. I think it is a large part of her character, which plays into her interactions with the other characters. For example, on page 80 she tells the Doctor Harry "Don't tell me what I'm going to be. I'm on my feet now, morally speaking" (Porter 80), despite the doctor and others who care about Granny informing her of her poor health. This exposes part of her fear of death, even though in her stubbornness she refuses to acknowledge that issue as well. |
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Post by emilykrueger on Aug 22, 2021 21:19:57 GMT -8
In The Jilting of Granny Wheaterhall we can see how her personality changes so much through out the story from the beginning to the end. In the very beginning she is mean to everyone around her, and she does stuff that her husband used to do before he passed away. She is very rude to her daughter who only wants to help her and she is upset at everyone and this could be because she knows she is dying and she doesn't want to. She also asks for a hot cup of toddy one day from her daughter and we know that this is a drink her husband asked for right before he passed away. Later in the story she regains her relationship with God and the relationship she has with her daughter becomes stronger. She becomes a better person but she is also upset because she knows that God was not able to save her or her doctor when she had put more faith of them in the end of the story.
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Post by emilykrueger on Aug 22, 2021 21:28:35 GMT -8
I agree with olivia nam's statement about how Granny does show a lot of independence through out the story. She talks about how she pays for her own bills even after her husband passed on and that she does not get support from anybody. I also agree with her statement when she says that Granny is stubborn because we do see how she acts in the story and how she does not want to listen to anyone and she wants to do things her own way.
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Post by Emily Morrow on Aug 22, 2021 21:29:29 GMT -8
One parallel that I did notice was between Granny's jilting and Granny's current situation. Both of them show denial of the situation and eventually show acceptance of the situation. Granny was jilted by George and rationalized the situation for over 60 years, never coming to terms with the pain: "Wounded vanity Ellen, said a sharp voice in the top of her mind. Don't let your wounded vanity get the upper hand of you. Plenty of girls get jilted. You were jilted, weren't you? Then stand up to the pain." After dreaming about Hapsy, a shift in Granny's mentality changes, and she wants to see George again and tell him that she lived a stable life despite the grief she lived with, showing that she has come to terms with the pain. Likewise, Granny knew she was getting old but never really accepted it, showing signs of strength such as postponing actions for tomorrow. However, towards the end of the story, as Granny is near death, she comes to terms with it, asking God for a sign that she is loved. Both parallel situations then merge into one, as the fact that God never acknowledged her request filled her with the same grief she felt when George jilted her. I think that Kyle C. made a very good point here because many could recognize that Granny had regrets related to the journey, but they don't draw parallels between the past and current events. I also think that that point would definitely get that complexity point that Ms. Miller mentioned last week in class. I also think that the synthesis could be expanded a bit more. In the characterization video, one of the main components of a character is their fatal flaw and it is the job of the readers to find out what it is, as the fatal flaw often isn't blatantly stated. I think that describing how regret was her fatal flaw because her tumultuous flow of regrets correlated with her rapid decline in health would make this analysis even more complex and it could also be considered as an opposite viewpoint because people could have seen that situation as her rapid decline in health causing her increase in regrets. |
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Post by Ria Sehgal on Aug 22, 2021 21:29:29 GMT -8
The patterns of literary elements and techniques of Granny Weatherall's deteriorating health and attitude influence or define her as a character; by truly uncovering the many layers of Granny Weatherall. From the patterns of literary elements and techniques, we can see the development in character from Granny Weatherall. Since the beginning, Granny Weatherall is very stubborn and in denial about her physical condition even though others, such as her daughter and doctor, say otherwise. From the beginning of the story, we can see how stubborn and how she is in denial about her condition; however, from her thoughts, we can see that she puts up a façade of stubbornness to hide how scared she is from her family. From this, we can see that Granny Weatherall still has so much she wanted to tell her family but she was running out of time. So we can see the regrets that she still carries with her, even to her deathbed. I completely agree that Granny Weatherall is very stubborn and in denial about her deteriorating death, and that she has many regrets she is still carrying with her. Granny Weatherall keeps denying the fact that she is going to die by saying that she has many tasks to get done tomorrow, and by saying that she has been ready for death since she was 60. In reality, however, Granny is scared of death and gets anxious that her death is near. Granny thinks about all the things she still has yet to tell her family and to do, and holds regrets from her past, which lead to her rude character. |
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Post by veilina on Aug 22, 2021 21:35:51 GMT -8
I noticed that Granny Weatherall's mental health was deteriorating rapidly. During the beginning of the text, Granny Weatherall was listing chores or actions that she thought she could do herself yet Granny Weatherall was bedridden due to her illness. Her stubborn personality and determination to do everything around the house was shown during her interactions with Cornelia as Cornelia often did the work and took care of Granny Weatherall. Through closer reading, I believe that Granny Weatherall developed this stubborn attitude to do everything around the house after her fiancé hadn't shown up for the wedding. At first, Granny Weatherall had been open to other people's input on not letting her pride take over her mind as she was rejected during her wedding, but as Granny Weatherall began to do everything around the house due to the absence of a husband, I believe she gained a stubborn mentality. However, because of her stubbornness, Granny Weatherall thought she was well enough to perform tasks around the house, often forgetting that she was on her death bed. When the time came for Granny Weatherall to pass away, her physical body had died but her mentality was still attempting to process that she had died, thinking that she was so unprepared for death after having numerous things undone, yet throughout the whole story, Granny Weatherall kept mentioning how she was preparing to die. I agree with what you’ve noticed concerning Granny’s character. She constantly gives off a stubborn attitude from having to take over the role of both herself and her husband. Granny’s pride would not stop her from completing tasks until she physically couldn't anymore. I especially agree with your claim about Granny’s body dying as her mentality was still preparing for it by thinking of everything incomplete in her life which was conflicting as she repeatedly stated how she’d been ready for death. One really can’t prepare for the unexpected feeling of your life ending, stubborn or not. |
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Post by Luigi Lozano on Aug 22, 2021 21:43:30 GMT -8
Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, and Justin Hsieh! I do agree that Granny Weatherall's stubbornness is illustrated throughout the short story. Also, the mention of filling in as the "man of the house" after her husband died is an example of her stubbornness. I also believe that when Granny Weatherall said, "'Get along and doctor your sick,' said Granny Weatherall. 'Leave a well woman alone. I'll call for you when I pulled through milk-leg and double pneumonia? You weren't even born'" (Porter 80). That this also shows how stubborn Granny Weatherall's character is. From this as well, we can see how she is also in denial about her condition and that she is so stubborn to acknowledge or admit that she is sick. Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, and Kryslin Vu! I definitely agree with your standing about Granny's stubbornness portrayed throughout the story. I think it is a large part of her character, which plays into her interactions with the other characters. For example, on page 80 she tells the Doctor Harry "Don't tell me what I'm going to be. I'm on my feet now, morally speaking" (Porter 80), despite the doctor and others who care about Granny informing her of her poor health. This exposes part of her fear of death, even though in her stubbornness she refuses to acknowledge that issue as well. Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, and Kiersten Kang! I one hundred percent agree with what you had to say about the standings of Granny's stubborn attitude. I understand that people should be acting more mature, and this grandmother is not fulfilling her role as an adequate grandmother to her daughters daughter. I wished she was not so stubborn, like a 16 year old teenager born on October. I am glad that at the nearest point of her death, she understood her position and attitude that should have been produced throughout the majority of her life. |
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Post by Ryleigh Andresen on Aug 22, 2021 21:57:24 GMT -8
Jilting Granny Weatherall's development throughout the story is complex. In the beginning of the story she is very rude and offended by her children easily. She is rude to the doctor at the very end of the first paragraph by implying that he is a child and doesn't know what he's talking about because she believes she is perfectly fine. In later paragraphs she overheard Cornelia speaking poorly of her to the doctor around the door. She felt as though Cornelia didn't see her as human anymore and that she thought she was just a rude burden. However, by the end of the story she begins to act a tad bit kinder and more understanding and caring towards Cornelia and the Doctor because she accepted her fate and wasn't bitter or procrastinating death at the end.
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Post by Jarod Miller on Aug 22, 2021 22:11:45 GMT -8
Granny Weatherall’s character evolves with the condition of her health both mentally and physically. Before she was getting older and was more able bodied she was self reliant, especially since her husband died she had to learn to be independent. But when someone like her has lived a certain way for so long and is self reliant, they are typically stubborn and not the most joyful people in the world because of terrible experiences. So when her health starts to decline she is still grasping on to the daily things that she used to do everyday not realizing or accepting that she cannot do it anymore. She displays this inability to accept reality when she yells at the doctor, “Where were you forty years ago when I pulled through milk-leg and double pneumonia?” Granny is still hung up on the past and cannot let that go. As her health starts to deteriorate more she goes through the process of death by being in denial, angry, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance which define who her character was throughout the story.
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Post by yaboiaaronchoi on Aug 22, 2021 22:17:48 GMT -8
Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, and Kryslin Vu! I definitely agree with your standing about Granny's stubbornness portrayed throughout the story. I think it is a large part of her character, which plays into her interactions with the other characters. For example, on page 80 she tells the Doctor Harry "Don't tell me what I'm going to be. I'm on my feet now, morally speaking" (Porter 80), despite the doctor and others who care about Granny informing her of her poor health. This exposes part of her fear of death, even though in her stubbornness she refuses to acknowledge that issue as well. Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, and Kiersten Kang! I one hundred percent agree with what you had to say about the standings of Granny's stubborn attitude. I understand that people should be acting more mature, and this grandmother is not fulfilling her role as an adequate grandmother to her daughters daughter. I wished she was not so stubborn, like a 16 year old teenager born on October. I am glad that at the nearest point of her death, she understood her position and attitude that should have been produced throughout the majority of her life. Hi Darren Ich Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, Kiersten Kang, and Luigi Lozano!! I, also, agree with you analysis on Granny Weatherall's character and asserted ignorance throughout the short story. Weatherall constantly displays her denial or death which ultimately results in her regretting many things as she comes to the realization that she is, in fact, dying. It is interesting to see how her physical state is synonymous with how she acts toward her family and her emotional, internal thoughts. |
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Post by Jarod Miller on Aug 22, 2021 22:19:50 GMT -8
Jilting Granny Weatherall's development throughout the story is complex. In the beginning of the story she is very rude and offended by her children easily. She is rude to the doctor at the very end of the first paragraph by implying that he is a child and doesn't know what he's talking about because she believes she is perfectly fine. In later paragraphs she overheard Cornelia speaking poorly of her to the doctor around the door. She felt as though Cornelia didn't see her as human anymore and that she thought she was just a rude burden. However, by the end of the story she begins to act a tad bit kinder and more understanding and caring towards Cornelia and the Doctor because she accepted her fate and wasn't bitter or procrastinating death at the end. I completely agree with the argument of Granny’s attitude, especially that it is complex and develops throughout the story. By providing examples within the text from the beginning to the end help prove the complex and development of Granny’s attitude in the text. Also, by adding the part of both how Granny believes that she knows more than the doctor and that she was talking poorly about him behind his back help show and develop her stubbornness. |
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Post by Jason Dang on Aug 22, 2021 22:20:24 GMT -8
It is evident that Granny would die later on when she states, "she found death in her mind and it felt clammy and unfamiliar. She had spent so much time preparing for death there was no need for bringing it up again." This quote shows that she was comfortable with the topic of death, but most importantly it was foreshadowing that she would, later on, die in the story. This also reveals about her personality that she has a very tough mental and that probably something in her past prepared her for this moment. To add on to what Safi said, i agree with what was stated above and that at the beginning it is clear that Granny seemed to be prepared for death and that her past played some part in her resolution. However, I actually disagree to a degree, because I actually think that her saying she's ready for death is a lie, and that deep down she's actaully not ready and just avoiding thinking about it. This is more evident towards the end of the text, when she starts dying and she begins to list numerous things that she still needs to do before death. If she was truly prepared to die, then she wouldn't begin trying to find excuses and reasons to stay alive. |
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Post by angkorheng on Aug 22, 2021 22:24:10 GMT -8
In the jilting of Granny Weatherall, the way that she reacts to others in the story is tied in to her deteriorating health. Throughout the story she repeatedly backlashes at her family who takes care of her and also her doctor who tries to only help her in her dying ages. This creates her personality through the story as a stubborn and rude old lady who appears as unlikeable. However her actions throughout the story gradually begin to change as her health starts to deteriorate and she starts to die, she reflects on her regrets and she starts to become more sympathetic as a person and wishes she had done more with her life.
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Post by nicholas on Aug 22, 2021 22:32:38 GMT -8
With Granny Weatherall, we can see how her personality really changes so much through out the story from its beginning to its end. In the very beginning of the passage, she is very mean to everyone around her, and she performs acts that her husband used to do before he had passed away. She is very rude to her caring daughter who only wants to help her and she is upset at everyone and this could be because she knows she is in the process of dying and she doesn't want to, denying it in her own way. She also asks for a hot cup of toddy one day from her daughter and we know that this is a drink her husband asked for right before he passed away. Later in the story she regains her relationship with God and the relationship she has with her daughter becomes stronger. She becomes a better person but she is also upset because she knows that God was not able to save her or her doctor when she had put more faith of them in the end of the story.
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Post by safi on Aug 22, 2021 22:34:41 GMT -8
Hi Darren Ich, Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, and Kiersten Kang! I one hundred percent agree with what you had to say about the standings of Granny's stubborn attitude. I understand that people should be acting more mature, and this grandmother is not fulfilling her role as an adequate grandmother to her daughters daughter. I wished she was not so stubborn, like a 16 year old teenager born on October. I am glad that at the nearest point of her death, she understood her position and attitude that should have been produced throughout the majority of her life. Hi Darren Ich Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, Kiersten Kang, and Luigi Lozano!! I, also, agree with you analysis on Granny Weatherall's character and asserted ignorance throughout the short story. Weatherall constantly displays her denial or death which ultimately results in her regretting many things as she comes to the realization that she is, in fact, dying. It is interesting to see how her physical state is synonymous with how she acts toward her family and her emotional, internal thoughts. Hi Darren Ich Bowen Wang, Justin Hsieh, Kryslin Vu, Kiersten Kang, Luigi Lozano, and Aaron Choi!! I am in total agreement with the analysis of Granny's persona throughout the passage. We see that her personality and traits correlates to the lamp pattern that happens throughout the story. Like Aaron Choi said when she is dying we see her emotional thoughts at the same time the lamp turned off and then we see it.  |
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